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Atiim wrote:

Harpyja wrote:

But now, it's AV infantry > tank. As long as AV infantry doesn't begin the engagement within 20 meters of a blaster tank, they cannot be reliably countered. Missile/railgun tanks were always better off to run away than to try and fight. But now, the blaster tank must also run away with its tail between its legs, and now what's left to keep AV infantry in check? Infantry? Yeah right, a Six Kin SMG wielding heavy or a Six Kin Combat Rifle wielding Min commando can take care of itself on its own, unless it faces several infantry at once, but now we get to the same question infantry loves to ask, does it have to take more than one to kill one?

The Six Kin H/SMG Sentinel can take care of itself, but at any point in time it can be killed by a single Infantry unit as well. However, you can't compare them to HAVs in the sense that unlike the sentinel, HAVs:

Are Immune to 80% of all weapons in DUST 514
Have speeds of 19.5m/s and 22.5m/s (about 5x faster than Sentinels)
Boast 4150-5200 base eHP (about 5x higher than Sentinels)
Have the ability to see threats around them (via 3rd Person View)

It is because of these extreme advantages that the HAV must sacrifice something, which in this case is it's effectiveness against Infantry (for the most part).

Wait.. Are you implying that a Matari Commando can't be soloed?

Harpyja wrote:

Because ultimately, tanks can be killed by one player, it's just that blaster tanks kept AV in check. Missile/railgun tanks were easy to deal with, while blaster tanks were an effective counter to AV while being countered by the missile/railgun tanks AV could counter easily

80GJ Blasters were far too effective. A weapon being mounted onto something with at least 4150 eHP with speeds faster than a Light Frame, as well as being fully automatic and having a 300m range should never have a TTK that low.

Harpyja wrote:

CCP, remove large blaster dispersion. It took just as much skill to aim it as it did to aim a rifle anyways.

I can guarantee that they won't, as 80GJ Blasters aren't meant to be Anti-Personnel weapons.

Source:

CCP Rattati wrote:

Small Blaster ROF and dispersion were increased to make it easier to hit infantry, the intent was buff.

How did Rail and dmg mod nerf change AV-Vehicle balance?

The only change like Atiim says, PLC buff, AV grenade slight buff, two bugfixes and rep nerf. LB was never supposed to be anti-infantry.

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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC 467	Posted - 2014.06.29 06:18:00 - [1] - Quote Harpyja wrote: ... (I know I'm going to get flamed) but I'm thinking that AV is returning to 1.6 levels where proto AV can solo tanks again. Yesterday and today were rather frustrating due to the event, because now any AV is proto AV. So now, proto AV is being "stress tested." Call me crazy but I think proto AV is actually a bit OP. One person can now effectively destroy any tank using proto AV. Here's why: nerf to blaster dispersion. I think that large blasters were the only turrets capable of keeping AV in check from becoming too powerful. Blaster tanks could effectively combat any single AV infantry from a safe distance. Now, though, if I want to kill an infantryman effectively, I must do so at under 20 meters. In other words, I can no longer deal with AV infantry effectively. They cannot fear me anymore. I must fear just one single proto AV because I cannot shoot reliably enough anymore to deal with them. It used to be AV infantry > AV tank (missiles and railguns) > AI tank (blasters) > AV infantry. While a few AV infantry could take out a blaster tank, a blaster tank could counter them rather effectively. But now, it's AV infantry > tank. As long as AV infantry doesn't begin the engagement within 20 meters of a blaster tank, they cannot be reliably countered. Missile/railgun tanks were always better off to run away than to try and fight. But now, the blaster tank must also run away with its tail between its legs, and now what's left to keep AV infantry in check? Infantry? Yeah right, a Six Kin SMG wielding heavy or a Six Kin Combat Rifle wielding Min commando can take care of itself on its own, unless it faces several infantry at once, but now we get to the same question infantry loves to ask, does it have to take more than one to kill one? Because ultimately, tanks can be killed by one player, it's just that blaster tanks kept AV in check. Missile/railgun tanks were easy to deal with, while blaster tanks were an effective counter to AV while being countered by the missile/railgun tanks AV could counter easily. CCP, remove large blaster dispersion. It took just as much skill to aim it as it did to aim a rifle anyways. All that typing and you missed it. Let me make it simple. Before you could do what you want, go where you want, sit where you want, kill what you want. Now if you sit still long enough, you die, see now you need infantry support..... Ahhhhh, you see the light? You must have infantry support to kill AV.... You can no longer do it alone. You also need to think tactically now, your approach, your position, your escape. The blaster turret should not be a kill every suit on the map without needing to reload. Use it to enage other vehicles, get a rifle and some skill to kill a bunch of infantry. Im against slavery says the liberal, as he picks up his Iphone 5, made in China.
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC 467	Posted - 2014.06.29 06:27:00 - [2] - Quote Atiim wrote: Harpyja wrote: But now, it's AV infantry > tank. As long as AV infantry doesn't begin the engagement within 20 meters of a blaster tank, they cannot be reliably countered. Missile/railgun tanks were always better off to run away than to try and fight. But now, the blaster tank must also run away with its tail between its legs, and now what's left to keep AV infantry in check? Infantry? Yeah right, a Six Kin SMG wielding heavy or a Six Kin Combat Rifle wielding Min commando can take care of itself on its own, unless it faces several infantry at once, but now we get to the same question infantry loves to ask, does it have to take more than one to kill one? The Six Kin H/SMG Sentinel can take care of itself, but at any point in time it can be killed by a single Infantry unit as well. However, you can't compare them to HAVs in the sense that unlike the sentinel, HAVs: Are Immune to 80% of all weapons in DUST 514 Have speeds of 19.5m/s and 22.5m/s (about 5x faster than Sentinels) Boast 4150-5200 base eHP (about 5x higher than Sentinels) Have the ability to see threats around them (via 3rd Person View) It is because of these extreme advantages that the HAV must sacrifice something, which in this case is it's effectiveness against Infantry (for the most part). Wait.. Are you implying that a Matari Commando can't be soloed? Harpyja wrote: Because ultimately, tanks can be killed by one player, it's just that blaster tanks kept AV in check. Missile/railgun tanks were easy to deal with, while blaster tanks were an effective counter to AV while being countered by the missile/railgun tanks AV could counter easily 80GJ Blasters were far too effective. A weapon being mounted onto something with at least 4150 eHP with speeds faster than a Light Frame, as well as being fully automatic and having a 300m range should never have a TTK that low. Harpyja wrote: CCP, remove large blaster dispersion. It took just as much skill to aim it as it did to aim a rifle anyways. I can guarantee that they won't, as 80GJ Blasters aren't meant to be Anti-Personnel weapons. Source: CCP Rattati wrote: Small Blaster ROF and dispersion were increased to make it easier to hit infantry, the intent was buff. How did Rail and dmg mod nerf change AV-Vehicle balance? The only change like Atiim says, PLC buff, AV grenade slight buff, two bugfixes and rep nerf. LB was never supposed to be anti-infantry. See, thats the problem, these scrub tankers want to kill infantry with a weapon made to kill other tanks. I like how tankers are indignant, I want my win button back against all infantry, waaaaaaa. I mean you guys had tanks you just put in park, set there, killed infantry for months like true noobs, didnt even have to back up from proto swarms on a triple rep Maddy, and now you come looking for a please give us our big machine gun back. No, you are in tank, focus on vehicles noob. Im against slavery says the liberal, as he picks up his Iphone 5, made in China.